• Asks about current client conversations and whether they focus on timing the end of the current geopolitical conflict.
    Tom
  • Ellen Zentner
    Volatility and uncertainty have made client conversations more interesting and longer-term focused, shifting to themes like long-term national security, resource nationalism, scarcity, and defense spending.
    Explains it's exhausting for clients to try to time the end of the conflict, so they focus on bigger-picture implications instead.
  • Observes that oil prices remain high despite stock rebounds, suggesting the market doubts the Strait of Hormuz situation will clear up soon.
    Tom
  • Ellen Zentner
    Even if the Strait opened tomorrow, price effects and shortages already in the pipeline must be absorbed by businesses and households, causing pain. Puts recession probability at a meaningful 40%.
    Notes that some countries will use subsidies to help, but the burden will be uneven.
  • Asks about the regressive impact of a $1,500 disposable income hit from higher gas prices on American consumers.
    Tom
  • Ellen Zentner
    Higher gas prices fall most heavily on lower-income households, especially in big driving states, forcing behavior changes over time.
    Describes gas price obsession in driving states and the sequential consumer response: switching to cheaper gas, then carpooling, then considering EVs, but these changes take time.
  • Asks for her view on the consumer's current resilience.
    Tom
  • Ellen Zentner
    Low-income consumer has been in and out of recession, while the wealthy consumer only needs to slow spending for an impact, which is likely as financial asset gains stall.
    Notes low-income consumers exhausted excess savings, but wage growth helped. Wealthy consumers, having met pent-up demand and facing stalled home equity gains, may pull back.
  • Asks about the outlook for business investment.
    Tom
  • Ellen Zentner
    Business investment was tech/AI-focused last year, with optimism for 2024 broadening due to tax incentives, but the Iran conflict and input prices may cause a false start. The next concern is a 'cliff' after tax break demand is pulled forward.
    Explains that businesses will still take advantage of tax breaks, but high energy/food prices force them to 'eat a good chunk' of costs, potentially delaying investment decisions.
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