• Boaz Weinstein
    We bid because it was a place to start. We are short public debt at what I term really optimistic levels, so buying at down 35 even with adjustments is probably going to be an okay investment.
  • You're short public debt like a match trade against getting long this stuff? Like is there something I'm missing?
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  • Boaz Weinstein
    A huge part of our capital is to provide investors tail protection. Our domain expertise is credit derivatives. The liquidity in high-yield credit markets is such where you can put on tens of billions. I have that as a short, and this discount fits as a long because if we're right and if these buys at -27 or -35 are bad buys, look out below.
  • Is there a scenario where the stuff you can be short in high-yield totally diverges from private credit software loans?
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  • Boaz Weinstein
    You're bringing up a good point about basis risk. This is not a match trade. The average company in the index is quite a bit bigger and even better than a private credit portfolio. Goldman Sachs is pitching total return swaps on private credit portfolios for more 1-to-1 positioning.
  • Boaz Weinstein
    As I saw in COVID, sometimes people who can't sell the thing they can't sell will sell what they can sell. Private credit can certainly infect public credit.
  • Boaz Weinstein
    People think we're going to buy none - it's a classic market maker adverse selection question. You're either going to buy none or get filled and probably immediately regret getting filled. If we get filled and oversubscribed, our next bid is decidedly lower.
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