• Scarlet
    Market is getting past the initial reaction to geopolitical tensions. From a crude oil standpoint, the rest of the world is breaking hard with severe demand destruction, while the US is okay for now.
    WTI is around $89/barrel, likely stuck between $80-$100. The high of $120 isn't as daring as the 2020 peak of $130.
  • Scarlet
    This is a bear market that's much more likely to go down. The surplus of supply vs demand in US/Canada (8M barrels/day) will reach 10M by 2028 if prices don't fall.
    The key thing that might drive prices down by year-end is the stock market dropping.
  • Are traders factoring in supply from other parts of the world or alternative routes for Saudi/Mideast crude?
    Mike
  • Scarlet
    The narrative about Gulf supply (20% of world) is outdated - it's dropping to ~10% as Saudi Arabia finds alternative pipeline routes through Red Sea.
    Price maker status has switched from the Gulf to Western Hemisphere (US, Canada, Venezuela, Argentina), which is pressuring prices.
  • Scarlet
    Natural gas in 2022 led crude oil back down after spiking to $130, and the same pattern is repeating - natural gas was up 100% this year, now down almost 20%.
    Natural gas has already done what I think crude oil is going to do.
  • Scarlet
    With natural gas, corn, and soybeans peaking, this looks like a 'pump ready to dump' scenario, predicated on the wealth effect continuing in the US.
  • How does European gas (dependent on Strait of Hormuz) compare to 2022, given it hasn't fallen like US gas?
    Mike
  • Scarlet
    European gas prices aren't as high as 2022, but demand destruction is the real concern. High prices for gasoil/diesel globally force cuts to capital budgets and consumer spending.
    The top 20% of wage earners haven't cut back yet because the stock market is still doing well.
  • Scarlet
    As a commodity guy, I look at stock markets - industrial metals and even crude oil could push things lower.
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