• Introduces Russ Koesterich to discuss gold breaking through $5,000 and what's next.
    Jonathan Ferro
  • Russ Koesterich
    There's no objective way to value gold; its value is what people are willing to pay. It works in a portfolio as a hedge against fiscal issues in developed countries and growing geopolitical risk.
  • Asks if gold's move is a hedge against dollar weakness or something more.
    Jonathan Ferro
  • Russ Koesterich
    It is a hedge against dollar weakness. Post-COVID, longstanding correlations have broken down. Gold moving opposite the dollar is a fundamental correlation that holds. If you worry about US debasement or debt, gold does well.
  • Russ Koesterich
    Equities and gold have not been that negatively correlated. In 2025, they've moved together. Gold is a portfolio diversifier, not necessarily a day-to-day hedge for stock market fluctuations.
  • Asks if, given risks aren't going away, he will add to his modest gold position.
    Annmarie Hordern
  • Russ Koesterich
    We're probably where we want to be. Gold can go down abruptly, as in 2022. In a classic 60/40 portfolio, a 3-5% position works well to compensate for hard-to-quantify risks.
  • Asks if silver's tear bodes well for the entire commodity complex.
    Annmarie Hordern
  • Russ Koesterich
    Gold and silver are moving in tandem; silver is also a precious metal hedging risk. There's a broader rally in many commodities, like copper tied to electrification.
  • Asks for his takeaway from the convulsion in Japanese government bonds, referencing Ken Griffin's warning about bond vigilantes.
    Jonathan Ferro
  • Russ Koesterich
    The move in Japan has been dramatic, but it's not a shock given Japan's exit from deflation and new prime minister using fiscal stimulus. Interestingly, despite Japan, US 10-year yields haven't broken out of their range, and US bond volatility is low.
  • Asks what's insulating the US bond market from the rupture in JGBs.
    Jonathan Ferro
  • Russ Koesterich
    Spillover effects aren't always dramatic. Factors supporting US bonds remain: no obvious short-term dollar replacement, inflation heading in the right direction, no stagflation, and opportunity to pick up yield in credit markets.
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