• How concerned are you about contagion from private credit into broader credit markets?
    Francine Lacqua
  • Bruce Flatt
    Private credit is very small, software loans even smaller. This is not a systemic issue. The only systemic risks are bank balance sheets and real estate/housing loans, both of which are in excellent shape.
  • Why is the market so on edge? Is it worried about AI being systemic, too much money, or not understanding private credit?
    Francine Lacqua
  • Bruce Flatt
    The world always thinks it's the worst time. I've seen 15 worse ones in my career. This is not a rerun of 2008. Will AI affect some companies and will some loans not pan out? Yes, that occurs in every cycle. But this is not a big deal for the financial system.
  • People are fearful, but I can't point to what they're fearful about.
    Francine Lacqua
  • Bruce Flatt
    It's change. People are always worried about change. We're going through faster changes today. We've been building the backbone of the global economy for 40 years. The type of things we're building today are just different: data centers and AI factories instead of water systems and toll roads. The backbone evolves and people get unsettled.
  • Do you think what happened at Blue Owl signals something broader?
    Francine Lacqua
  • Bruce Flatt
    No. It's a very small component. I don't run Blue Owl and we don't make loans in software. As a financial person, this is small relative to global markets and we shouldn't get too wrapped up in it.
  • Is there anything you're missing now that you want, where you think the economy will change?
    Francine Lacqua
  • Bruce Flatt
    We coined the 3 D's: deglobalization, decarbonization, digitalization. Digitalization was building for the cloud, today it's building for AI factories. Decarbonization was building clean power, today it's building any power we can because we need more. Deglobalization was building in the US, today it's building in many countries.
  • What if demand for AI data centers doesn't live up to expectations?
    Francine Lacqua
  • Bruce Flatt
    Everything we're doing is contracted to a country or a company, so the risk is back to them. This is different from the dot-com era where you laid fiber hoping the customer would come. We're building for countries and enormous companies. The credit capacity is there. The only issue is we can't build them fast enough because demand is so large.
  • How do you keep a level head and focus on long-term strategy with all the unsettling news on trade, tariffs, and policy?
    Francine Lacqua
  • Bruce Flatt
    Look back over 50, 30, 20, 10 years - the world is better today. Look out 10, 20, 40 years - it's going to be better. Advances in medicine, technology, productivity, health, longevity. We're solving many issues. People focus on the short term. I'm positive 15 years from now they're all going to be better off.
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