• Coming out of the last two years, the focus seemed to be on the unemployment rate and cutting rates to get ahead of a labor market problem. Listening to you, it sounds like you're more concerned about inflation as the primary risk.
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  • Austan Goolsbee
    Inflation has been the central focus since I've been on the Fed. I'm a little more concerned about inflation right now because the job market and growth are pretty steady. There are promising signs in inflation reports but also warning signs.
  • Austan Goolsbee
    I'm not hawkish about rates. I'm pretty optimistic we can get rates down further, multiple cuts in 2026, as long as we see the progress on inflation that forecasters have been forecasting.
  • Every time the Fed puts out economic projections, the 2% inflation target gets hit two years from now. What goes wrong?
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  • Austan Goolsbee
    We need inflation not to be persistent. The part of inflation from tariffs is supposed to be transitory. When forecasts keep pushing the goalpost for when inflation will fall, that's not a great sign.
  • Austan Goolsbee
    A large group of the committee thinks that where rates will eventually settle is still well below where we are today. We must get inflation down from this 3% level we've been stalled at for a year or more.
  • With new tariff uncertainty from the Supreme Court, you'll have a dip in inflation and then it could go back up. Does your timeline for seeing inflation go down get pushed out?
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  • Austan Goolsbee
    The inflation impact from tariffs is supposed to go away. If the rates are lower than before, that should make it even more true that we should see inflation going down.
  • Austan Goolsbee
    Policy uncertainty is more on the labor side. The low hiring, low firing environment is what you expect with uncertainty. That's not what the beginning of a recession looks like.
  • What are CEOs telling you they want to see before they would be willing to hire again?
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  • Austan Goolsbee
    They say they want to know what the rules of the road are going to be. Right now we don't know, and there could be very significant changes. I'm sympathetic with that.
  • Austan Goolsbee
    I still think the American consumer has been pretty solid. We've got a steady job market. If we make progress on inflation, I think rates are trending down.
  • Are companies saying they don't need to hire because of productivity?
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  • Austan Goolsbee
    The answer depends very much on the industry. Software companies are uncertain about AI. The healthcare sector is booming with expanding employment.
  • Kevin Warsh is wedded to the idea that AI will create productivity which will bring inflation down. You're not as sure about that.
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  • Austan Goolsbee
    I hope that is what happens. Productivity growth makes us rich. But we should remember: it can be deflationary, but it can also stimulate a lot of investment. In the short run, people counting on future productivity growth can overheat the economy.
  • Austan Goolsbee
    If that is Kevin Warsh's position, I've known him a long time. I respect him a great deal. I mostly agree with him.
  • How much confidence will you have in the numbers you put out in March given everything going on?
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  • Austan Goolsbee
    There's a lot of uncertainty and we have to make decisions with the data we have. I take my own views and that of my staff with a heavy grain of salt when things are changing a lot.
  • Austan Goolsbee
    I'm still optimistic that we're basically cruising along with solid growth, a steady labor market. We've got some encouraging and some discouraging signs on inflation. If we can just get some improvement, I feel like we could still get back on the golden path.
  • Would you support the Fed going back to a scarce reserves way of managing monetary policy?
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  • Austan Goolsbee
    We should constantly be evaluating as a body what we're doing and the efficacy of doing that. We switched out of scarce reserves because in crisis there were some holes in that regime. It's possible we should study it.
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