• Asks about change in view on oil prices given Strait of Hormuz closure and Iran war.
    Steve Liesman
  • Christopher Waller
    Two weeks ago after weak jobs report, I was ready to dissent for a rate cut, thinking oil spike would be short-lived with no inflation issues.
  • Christopher Waller
    Since then, Strait of Hormuz closed, conflict looks protracted, oil prices will stay high longer, suggesting inflation is more concerning.
  • Christopher Waller
    Second issue: research suggests labor force growth this year will be zero or close to zero, meaning zero net new jobs is break-even for unemployment.
  • Christopher Waller
    Last three months averaged around zero jobs, putting me in odd spot where brain understands math but gut says this isn't okay.
  • Clarifies: zero doesn't seem enough but math suggests it keeps unemployment unchanged.
    Steve Liesman
  • Christopher Waller
    Economist for 45 years, never told zero was normal; Fed would need to respond to -92,000 jobs.
  • Asks about framework for oil price rise and policy concern about bleeding into core inflation.
    Steve Liesman
  • Christopher Waller
    If oil stays high for months, it bleeds through because oil is input into many products, unlike tariffs on specific goods.
  • Christopher Waller
    Worry about high and persistent oil shocks, not transitory ones that go up and come right back down.
  • Asks what history says about Fed over-responding in 70s/80s versus ignoring transitory increases recently.
    Steve Liesman
  • Christopher Waller
    70s had sequence of oil shocks, not one-time; central bank wisdom since 80s is to look through oil price moves that go up and come down.
  • Christopher Waller
    Critical difference: oil goes up and stays high for long time bleeds into core inflation, then you have to respond, can't just look through.
  • Christopher Waller
    Started thinking inflation problem may be worse if this continues; caution is warranted, similar to approach before Russia-Ukraine invasion.
  • Christopher Waller
    Doesn't mean staying put all year; if things go reasonably well and labor market weak, would advocate cutting policy rate later this year.
  • Asks about discussion of rate hikes at meeting and his stance.
    Steve Liesman
  • Christopher Waller
    If inflation was 2.8% in Dec 2024 and 2.8% now with tariffs adding 50-100bps, structural inflation had to come down to maintain 2.8%.
  • Christopher Waller
    Structural inflation rate probably more like 2%, getting closer to 2%.
  • Christopher Waller
    Once past tariffs and maybe second quarter, will see inflation come back down.
  • Christopher Waller
    Don't think there's need for rate hikes because of this math argument; tariffs pushing inflation up while structural factors bringing it down.
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