Asks about change in view on oil prices given Strait of Hormuz closure and Iran war.
Steve Liesman
Christopher Waller
Two weeks ago after weak jobs report, I was ready to dissent for a rate cut, thinking oil spike would be short-lived with no inflation issues.
Christopher Waller
Since then, Strait of Hormuz closed, conflict looks protracted, oil prices will stay high longer, suggesting inflation is more concerning.
Christopher Waller
Second issue: research suggests labor force growth this year will be zero or close to zero, meaning zero net new jobs is break-even for unemployment.
Christopher Waller
Last three months averaged around zero jobs, putting me in odd spot where brain understands math but gut says this isn't okay.
Clarifies: zero doesn't seem enough but math suggests it keeps unemployment unchanged.
Steve Liesman
Christopher Waller
Economist for 45 years, never told zero was normal; Fed would need to respond to -92,000 jobs.
Asks about framework for oil price rise and policy concern about bleeding into core inflation.
Steve Liesman
Christopher Waller
If oil stays high for months, it bleeds through because oil is input into many products, unlike tariffs on specific goods.
Christopher Waller
Worry about high and persistent oil shocks, not transitory ones that go up and come right back down.
Asks what history says about Fed over-responding in 70s/80s versus ignoring transitory increases recently.
Steve Liesman
Christopher Waller
70s had sequence of oil shocks, not one-time; central bank wisdom since 80s is to look through oil price moves that go up and come down.
Christopher Waller
Critical difference: oil goes up and stays high for long time bleeds into core inflation, then you have to respond, can't just look through.
Christopher Waller
Started thinking inflation problem may be worse if this continues; caution is warranted, similar to approach before Russia-Ukraine invasion.
Christopher Waller
Doesn't mean staying put all year; if things go reasonably well and labor market weak, would advocate cutting policy rate later this year.
Asks about discussion of rate hikes at meeting and his stance.
Steve Liesman
Christopher Waller
If inflation was 2.8% in Dec 2024 and 2.8% now with tariffs adding 50-100bps, structural inflation had to come down to maintain 2.8%.
Christopher Waller
Structural inflation rate probably more like 2%, getting closer to 2%.
Christopher Waller
Once past tariffs and maybe second quarter, will see inflation come back down.
Christopher Waller
Don't think there's need for rate hikes because of this math argument; tariffs pushing inflation up while structural factors bringing it down.